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This is VACLOVO PATACKO
(1943-09-28–2015-04-03)
In e iews wi h
The ilm is di ec ed by Juozas Ja ai is Algi do.
The Sauda go ini ia i e
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The e we e e en eco ds o make somewhe e. I hink i you look in he a chi es, you migh
ind a copy o he Shigu e himsel . I was ideal o me. So e en hough I can see he ex in
F ench, I can see he wo d and I can see wha i does wi h i . He caugh me. Yes, Milos, ha
hy hm is ali e. Vaclo as Šiugždinis (bo n 29 Augus 1911, Kaunas […] 22 No embe 1988,
Kaunas) […] was an ou s anding schola , an excellen eache o Roman languages, a poe , a
ansla o , and a eache .
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I 's a e y sub le hy hm, bu i 's s ill he s anda d, so o speak. And he's go
his b ea h, and he's coming, and he's hu ing. This is one o he sec e s o his
poe y. Tha 's why a lo o people like i , and hey don' eally know why. Tha 's
why he's so di e en om all he o he poe s.
All igh , hen. Maybe ha 's wha we'll y o s a he
con e sa ion wi h. The ques ion would be: when and unde wha
ci cums ances did Oska Milašius appea in you li e?
Well, he e p obably mos ly played a ole, I would call i an a emp o dis ance onesel
om eali y, because a ha ime he So ie eali y was so opp essi e, despe a e, and
he e i was like a window, so o speak. And i was because o Václa Šugždin, whom we
called he Teache . I was like, I had hese wo eache s. Po ilas Bu ke ičius was one o
hem, who ga e us... bu i 's mo e in he con ex o his kind o unde g ound ac i i y,
le 's say, in he cul u al-poli ical con ex . Ougzdin was in a pu ely cul u al con ex . This
was a man who li ed and s udied in Pa is, was a ull- ledged Eu opean, e en hough he was
om a illage in he middle o Dzūkija. His a he wo ked a he Uni e si y o Kiemsa gi,
and he had al eady ecei ed some hing o li e a u e and a p ize om No way o en o
ele en yea s, so he was a child o Kaunas. Besides, he was e y good a F ench, s udied in
G enoble and somewhe e else, I can' emembe . So he li ed he e by he Chu ch o S .
Ma y, he e's his oman ic li le co ne on Libe y A enue. The e is such a Go hic
chu ch and a ound i is Ma ijonų Monas e y, he lib a y is igh he e on Lais ės A enue.
Well, i was such a window in o he Wes , none o us expec ed o e e lea e. I was a
me aphysical window in o he ue Eu ope ha now, in ac , as well as hose o his
me aphysical, poe ic me aphysics, should be called. Tha 's wha i was like. So, h ough
nebelieka. Žodžiu, ai bu o pag indinė paska a, o paskui ai e sdami galėjom
susipažin su poezija, oliau a ėjo eilė jo d amoms, ypač Migel Manja ai, o pas-
Milos, we el ha we we e ee. So in o a wo ld ha was mo e eal han ha eali y. I
was such a window in o ano he comple ely cul u al ai . Well, and hen, a e we'd had a
li le bi o cou age, we p ac iced, and we decided o do some hing abou i . Then came
he idea o le ing him w i e. These main subjec s we e he ansla ions o Shugdin,
mos o which we e unpublished. I 's been a long ime since I' e seen a play by a
semi-unde g ound a is like Miguel Manja a. The e was a g oup o ac o s who go
oge he , and hey go oge he , bu no in a hea e , I don' emembe now, in some hall
ha was buil by Miguel Manja a. Po ilas Bu ke ičius (bo n 26 May 1923, Kaunas […] died 4
Ap il 1985, Kaunas) […] humanis , physician, poli ical p isone . 3 The song o Osca Milose ic
by Miguel Maña a, ain. Miguel Manja a, w i en in 1913.
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Language and des iny 287 and ead. Bu , o cou se, he couldn' ead all he
eligious s u o any hing like Mephiboshe h, o all ha hea y a ille y, and he
couldn' ead all he sc ip u es. Well, he e was his symbiosis, when he old man
was ga he ed, he was like, well, elegan , jus e y F ench a li le bi o ha
maybe and ligh -hea ed like: gi es he muscle o ca ch. And hen he e we e
hese e y linguis ic anecdo es, le 's say. I don' know i i 's going o wo k he e,
bu I mee a guy named Ichiko, and he says, "How's i going?" And he says, "I 's no
going o wo k". He says, "Wai a minu e, a e you okay o no ?" He laughs, he
laughs, bu he doesn' say much. Tokyo, hen he e's he alcohol. I mean, he was
such a eally Wes e n, Eu opean, unny, unny, e y F ench man. In o he wo ds,
he wen om being a junkie o being a F enchman. And his ansla ions, which
some in he academic communi y looked a wi h skep icism and so on, we e ied,
we e absolu ely unsuccess ul in he li e al ansla ion o Milose ic. Well, i 's jus
a bunch o mis akes, you know.
A e you alking abou Valdas Pe auskas?
Yes, i jus says "soul" ins ead o "ea h". I don' know i he e's a co ec ional e o , bu
maybe i was somehow necessa y. They we e sligh ly so ened and ligh ened by he ansla ions
o he Shi dani. So, in he sense o melody, Milašijus [in speech] used o be such, melodic is melodic,
bu he e we e some imes such ha sh wo ds. The e used o be some ha didn' sound igh , bu
hey we e necessa y because hen i would jus be a une. So Shige din a oided hem, le 's say,
he, well, I don' know who he was alking o e y nicely, melodiously, especially when he was
čia palygin i. Vadinasi, jeigu u ašai, g ažu iskas, be ka u i ealybėj ai, aš
nelabai moku papasako , be , žodžiu, Milašius būda o ne ien lia-lia. Ten bū-
da o ka ais i oliau ęsėsi a melodija. Tai Šiugždinis nuglais yda o. Be jie
eci ing. And he paid a lo o money o he declama ion. Ve y a is ic, e y con incing. And in
Li huania, I' e hea d a lo o hose declama ions. And Pe e Wenceslaus was eading, and he liked
Milašius. Venslo was no bad [numbe ], bu he e we e a ew absolu ely unsuccess ul [ ead lines],
comple ely unsuccess ul. Do no ead Milaši, especially his la e ones, all he ini ial s ages. I 's no
elemen a y ye , bu hen i 's, in a wo d, i 's going o ake his kind o special skill, his kind o
acquisi ion. This is how we came o Milaši 4 Oska Milaši's mys e y Mephis opheles, w i en in 1914
5 Valdas V. Pe auskas (1938 July 11 h, Kaunas) […] amous ansla o om Roman languages in o
Li huanian. In 1981 he published his ansla ions o he O. Milose ic ex s, which ecei ed a lo o
c i icism. Maybe i 's because he ansla o wasn' a poe . 6 Pe as Venslo as (bo n Decembe 28,
1949) […] well-known ac o , di ec o , accoun an . His c ea i e ac i i ies a e ela ed o Kaunas.
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And ha 's when I had he idea o publish his w i ings. I was he ounda ion. Pe e
Kimball's commen a y on he book was ansla ed in o English by Les A canes. This
ex , he commen s, a e longe han he ex , he commen s o Milose ic himsel .
Because no one could unde s and hem, he was o ced o w i e commen s. Bu
oge he , hey make up a single wo k. The wo k i sel and i s commen s a e one
piece. I mean, you ha e o be an e udi e o ansla e hose commen s. Pe e
Kimb ys was, shall we say, an unde g ound schola . He was a man o g ea lea ning,
bu he is now a biblical schola , ansla ing he Holy Sc ip u es, and has ecei ed
he Je ome P ize o his edi ing and ansla ion. He was al eady a quali ied
ansla o and an in ellec ual a he same ime, who enjoyed he de ails he e and
he e and so on.
Say i in hose days. A e you alking abou you you h?
Yeah, he '70s. Se en h and eigh h.
You we e 20 yea s old hen, igh ?
Well, jus a li le bi mo e, I'm o y- h ee yea s old.
Fo y- h ee?
The hi d.
So his whole hing wi h Václa Šugždini is happening on he six een h,
when, he i h?
A li le la e , maybe in he '70s.
Abou se en y o hem?
Taip, kažku p ieš sep yniasdešim us, po. Man čia daba sunku a eguliuo .
Na, kadangi isos sudedamosios dalys bu o, bu o e imai, bu o komen a ai,
Pe as Kimb ys e ė. I a jo, adinkim, poe inė me a izika. Tai beliko ik ai
Tha 's he job o an edi o . Tha 's he engine I was pushing, he e was a p oblem. I was necessa y
o emo e he ex s om he sc oll because he was a pe ec ionis . He's been making peace he e
dailinda o, kol... Na, ai mes paimda om pap asčiausiai pa ogda om i ada jis
e e since. I 's he o he way a ound wi h Kimb u. Only he Jesui s could o ce Kimb ie o wo k. By
he way, i was necessa y, I emembe , because o wo sen ences, when I wen o 7 Pe as Kimb ys
(1948 Ma ch 20 h, Telšiai […] 2018 Ap il 21s , Kaunas) […] ou s anding ansla o , edi o o
ex ao dina y alen , ounde and edi o o he New Jou nal […]Aidai, collabo a o o he
unde g ound Li huanian Ca holic p ess.
Me aphysics was w i en in 1927 by O. Milose ic and published in 2002 by P. Kimb ian. 9 Sadly, Pe e did
no ecei e he Holy Spi i . Je ome's ewa d. Li e a y edi o and B onio Sa ukyn awa ds a e
dedica ed o him. The Li huanian Language Ins i u e since ely hanks B igi a Kimb iena, he la e
g anddaugh e , o he gi o he book link o Pe o Kimb iou's lib a y.
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Language and des iny 289 him se en een imes. Then i all ended wi h me and all he
manusc ip s going h ough he hole and alling iolen ly in o he ball, whe e he e
we e all so s o unde g ound hings nex o he manusc ip s. Now I'm wonde ing i
I b oke some hing o no . And I was mo ing. I'm hinking, well, i I ail, I'm going o ha e
o call he ambulance, all hese manusc ip s and so on. I el as i no hing had
happened. Tha 's he kind o p oblem his is. Rep in ing The e we e women om
Vilnius who had al eady sac i iced hei li es o he unde g ound machine y, and
wi hou hem he e would ha e been no hing, no shel e , no hing. They we e
comple ely unknown, no one paid any a en ion o hem, as much as I ied o send
jou nalis s he e o hem, i was, well, i was he echnical side ha was sol ed.
Then he ied up he e e nal a ilis Juozas, I o go , such a unique man. He's been in
p ison h ee imes. The old man... I'll emembe maybe... a man wi h a unique
biog aphy. And hen he e's he illus a ions by G azin's Deligh . She was he only
one o he pain e s, o he a is s, who was no a aid o do illus a ions o he unde g ound publica ion.
Can you expand on ha ?
I 's no ha , G azyna Didely ė.
You said i , Joseph.
Tha 's igh . No, you p obably won' ind much he e. I will emembe . The
old unde g ound wo ke is he e. So, P apies is was he e nea Pas ogė.
Tell me abou he Pas oges. Who wo ked h ough he people who made up
ha co e o you s?
The e we e h ee edi o s o he magazine. I was Gema Voslyu ė, who died. The Juozas
The 13 h died las yea . Me, oo.
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Maybe i 's been w i en a lo , bu ha 's wha she was. We a e le wi h Mindaugas
žūdamas. Tokį kaip i sa o es amen ą. I mes jį u ėjom leis i. Mindaugas To-
monis – u bū eko ši ą pa a dę gi dė . Tai, žodžiu, p ieš jis bu o nužudy as i
10 Gal Liucija Kul ie y ė i Vi alija Ž ikai ė.
Tomonis14 11 G ažina Didely ė (bo n 2 Oc obe 1938, Kaunas […] 2 Janua y 2007, Vilnius) […] a
unique g aphic a is , a alen ed illus a o o books, a man o excep ional cou age, a membe o he boa d o Pas ogė.
12 Gema Vosyliū ė (1936-1998) was a membe o he Eu opean Pa liamen .
13 Juozas P apies is (1947[…]2013), nickname Mykolas Šilai is, A. K., […] man o cul u e o he
unde g ound, w o e p ose and poems. The publishe s o Pas ogė did no publish in he councils
p ess. 14 Mindaugas Tomonis (bo n 28 Augus 1940 in Vilnius […] 5 No embe 1975 in Vilnius), nickname
Tomas Ku šys, […] ac i e pa icipan o he unde g ound and esis ance, poe , philosophe , who died
in unclea ci cums ances.

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I 's no clea , we' e su e o i . And how i happened he e is s ill unclea . Bu he
ce ainly couldn ha e appea ed unde he ain in his dea h. The e was jus alk
o making such a cul u al magazine. A ha ime, ha niche was missing. We had a
e y s ong dissiden , poli ical p ess, bu we lacked his cul u al sand. So someone
had o ill i . Tomonis ook g ea ca e o i , e en he name is his Pas ogė. Well,
ha 's wha we hough , we we e s ill a he bo om, bu a e ha , he people
mi ies ai nebebu o ku dė is. P adėjom leis i ą Pas ogę. Tai en bu o ie ys
I' e men ioned, hen he e we e co-wo ke s who d ew on op, like Gy is Ramoška15,
he women who p in ed in Viljampol. And ha 's wha happened: wo numbe s came
ou , and hen hey squeezed us. So we' e al eady eleased a se o E hos16, we' e
al eady pu ou ee up. I would suck a lo i you le some hing pe iodic. So you le
and you le . And he e we' e kind o shu ing down, and hen we' e eleasing he
E hos collec ion. They' e s a ing o wonde again wha 's he e, whe e, and how.
And a he same ime we did his, Milos's 17 le e s. We wan o do some hing ha
has esidual alue and ha 's solid enough, ha 's high enough, and p o e ha he
lygom galima i okius da bus da y . I aš laikau didžiausiu pasiekimu, jog isgi
ounda ion is p o en, ha he h ee olumes a e lying, ha hey can now be
ca ied, ha Milose ic's w i ings ha e no ye been published. The e's a piece o
e e y hing in he e. So, i his Li huanian is gone now, ins ead o one, he e a e
hose diploma ic hings. Well, we didn' miss ha . We had all he ma e ial, bu we we e al eady in aded as needed.
Did someone insul you?
Tha 's a di e en s o y. The e we e such e y, jus , well, agic, d ama ic hings. So we we e
doomed in ad ance, because a man, a e y high-le el agen , had in il a ed Pas ogę. So his is whe e
we knew ha i we s a ed, we had a maximum o wo o h ee yea s. I 's a e y old p ac ice
he e. So, since he genda me ies ime. They say ha i you le he unde g ound p ess, i akes
wo o h ee yea s o i o ge om he eade o he edi o . I ook wo o h ee yea s o
make, and hen 15 yea s la e he a is ic deco a ion o he magazine was aken ca e o by he
a is Gy is Ramoška ( he illus a ions used he wa e ma ks o he Li huanian pape , copied om
he books o Edmundo Lauce ičius, published a ha ime, Pape XV […] XVIII a. Each KGB ( his was
conside ed pa icula ly audulen by he in es iga o s, because i was no di icul o copy hem
in Li huania). See also h p: h p: h p: h p: h p: h p: h p: h p: h p: h p: h p: h p: h p:
h p: www. seimo-biblio ekoje-bus-p is a y os-signa a o-a-pa acko-knygos-i -pog indzio-leidiniai.
This is a lis o he books ha ha e been awa ded he p ize. 16 E hnos sel -published unde g ound
publica ion, eplacing Pas ogę. 17 I am e e ing o O. Milašiaus's ilogy, which was published by he
same g oup o cul u al pionee s ( ansla ed om F ench by Vaclo as Šiugždinis and Pe as
Kimb ys, edi ed by Algi das Pa ackas) mainly hanks o he e o s o Pe o Kimb io. The mos
dange ous echnical wo k […] p in ing […] was done by he beau ies Liucija Kul ie y ė and Vi alija
Ž ikai ė. See also h p: h p: h p: h p: h p: h p: h p: h p: h p: h p: h p: h p: h p: h p:
www. seimo-biblio ekoje-bus-p is a y os-signa a o-a-pa acko-knygos-i -pog indzio-leidiniai. This is a lis o he books ha ha e been awa ded he p ize.
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Language and des iny 291 you, ha is, packages. I wasn' news he e, whe he
he e we e hose hugs o no , hey'd ha e go en in ol ed soone o la e
anyway. They we e al eady a ached o he shel e .
You said, om eade o edi o .
Well, i 's good o ead he magazine. And hen i s a s o ain, you know, e e ybody.
Oh, he o he way a ound?
On he con a y. Well, i 's been he e since he dawn o ime. E e ybody knows you
le he g ound p ess, you' e go wo o h ee yea s. Maximum h ee yea s. Well, I
added a li le bi mo e, because hey we e hoping, hey al eady had eigh y- h ee,
bu I was only sea ed a eigh y-six. They ollowed me o h ee mo e yea s,
hinking ha hey would ge o he ch onicles, he ch onicles o he Li huanian
Ca holic Chu ch, h ough me. My case was he Ch onicle's a ic. The e may be
okia..., na, ai mes Pas oge no ėjom į ody i, kad galima leis i lais ai k ėpuo i.
Mes u ėjom okią o mulę. Vadinasi, Pas ogė – ne pog indis, nepa iko as žo-
o he hings he e, bu Milašius was elling us. I 's cold ou he e, bu i 's oo a o
see. Bu we didn' succeed, and we ha e o admi ha . Jus don' w i e any hing.
F om ou bu eau only, we' e sp ead he wo d ha he e's a publica ion ha
whoe e wan s i , can b ing i , we gua an ee i won' go anywhe e om us. The
au ho doesn' ake many isks, he doesn' , le 's say, wha edi o ial, he edi o ial
ejec ed, well, and he kind o washed up he e. The au ho doesn' ake many
isks. The isky edi o . We' e aking ha isk, bu e e yone's unning o hei
li es. The young au ho s p ac ically, well, one Gin a as18 sen one line. My b o he
signed E asmus o Ro e dam. This s ep should be conside ed a ailu e, bu no
because o ou aul . We' e done e e y hing, we' e aken ha isk, bu i 's jus
ha he o icial side was mo e a ac i e and e e ybody was w i ing, and hen he e wasn' much o show o i on he shel es.
I'm guessing ha he ip o he Czech Republic was be o e he publica ion o
ha publica ion, and wha was ha ip like, abou a ew yea s ago? Yeah, i was
mo e o an incen i e o ha publica ion. So we we e ge ing eady o ha ip
o Che nihi , well, he e was a kind o mi acle, i you' e eading his. So, in a wo d,
we ind he an as ic. So I had six summe s and ou win e s, oo, childhood lo e.
And we ound ha woman. And we' e absolu ely su e i was ha gi l.
Algi das Pa ackas, he amous poe Gin a as Pa ackas (bo n 18 July 1951 in Kaunas) The
illage o Če nej is loca ed in he egion o Gdańsk, whe e Oska Milašius was bo n on May 28, 1877.
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Ksenija?
Ksenija Milo ič20. Jai en bu o šim as eji me ai i ji p isiminė iską, kaip
he chie ain used o call he soha o on okon and so on.
Wha abou Milo ic?
Milo ic 21, ha 's igh .
All igh , hen. So, I'm going o ask you o jus ell me ha episode in
mo e de ail. I you emembe ha mee ing. I' e been o Che epo e s
mysel , bu I couldn' ind any hing he e...
I 's impossible o ind any hing he e. The e's no hing like i anymo e. And we
didn' ha e such big isions he e. We d o e like ha , by ain, and hen we d o e
some kind o ca . We wen , we ead Milose ic's poe y, and o cou se, we
sea ched. The e's no hing le , no e en he ga den, whe e i lows in o he
wa e and opens up in o his huge space. And all ha 's le o he alley a e he
b icks, all o n down, des oyed, smashed. Well, i was a So ie eali y show. And
only a local eache , a g ea man like ha , a s a e like ha , wi h his hands like
ha . He in i ed us, he's such a local landscape . And he says, "Yes, I' e hea d i all
kad jis en daug knygų išleidęs, jau bu au gi dėjęs.“ Tai labai ge ai, jis jau en
he e, you' e hones ly laid he ounda ions o his mansion, bu he e's no hing,
jus a basemen ". And mos o all, i 's al eady sown, as hey say, ime in he g ass
so. Well, we would ha e le anyway, bu , o cou se, he same space emained. And
Milos' poem abou hose childhood ga dens is abou ha e y space. The e's a
lake, he e's a lake, bu i looks like he e's wa e all a ound, he e's some kind o
ound chu ch o chu ch on he o he side.
The chu ch?
Yes, he chu ch. The No ichok 22 elec ic i eplace is a classic example o his. Well, I guess ha 's
i . We saw some hing, we el ha space. And in he e ening, ou eache says, "The e's ano he
old woman like ha ". And he's leading us he e. Well, ge he ou o he oom like ha . And imagine,
so g een, i 's al eady been 20 yea s since we ead Algi do Pa acko's memo ies o isi ing
Che bou g in 1976. He and some o his companions ound he e a hund ed-yea -old old Kseniya, who,
hal -clo hed, d ew om he memo y images o he childhood, as a li le boy in he summe ga den
shows he a la ge book o d awings, hen plays wi h he . Wasn' she he i s lo e o awaken he
poe ? (Julius Sasnauskas) I'm no going o lie o you. This Decision shall en e in o o ce on he day
ollowing ha o i s publica ion in he O icial Jou nal o he Eu opean Union. I is a ailable on he
In e ne a : h p: www.sa enai.l wp-con en /uploads/2017/04N .14-1270-2017-07-21.pd . In his 2013
book Li huania, A. Pa ack w i es abou Ksenija Mino ić, who was bo n in Li huania.
Bo n in 1874.
22 No alukomlis […] a own in no he n Bela us, Vi ebsk egion, wes o O sos, nea Lake Lukomly. I is
a ailable on he In e ne a : h ps: www. le.l /s aipsnis/no alukoml.
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I 's been yea s since I' e been blind. And he said, "Oh, I emembe ". And hen she
says some hing, she's silen , and hen she opens up again, and he e's a s eam
ponai is k iesda o, odyda o knygu es su pa eikslėliais. Soha, o on, okon.“
o wo ds. Oh, I emembe , Claudia, ha 's why hey called he qua e , ha 's why
hey came, he says. And hen he le . And hen he only came back o his a he 's
une al, bu he w o e a lo o books, and hey' e e y expensi e.
Was his he Ksenia?
Ksenia Milo ic, so she's one hund ed and h ee yea s old. We coun ed e enly. This is
Xenia. I 's no Ani. Kseniya is Ani. And ha Ani is in all o Milose ic's wo k. And he
s ayed single, e en hough he had hose lo es. Bu he e we e also such ai o s.
I 's in one o he poems ins ead o "he name is no in he book o lo e". The e was
such a e enge o him he e. Bu ha Ani as a p oo was, is as a p oo , you know, o
be įsi aizduoki , na, šeše i me ai, ai is iek aikas jau žmogus. I jo jau umas,
jis apsk i ai bu o be galo jau us, į gy enimo galą galbū ne liguis ai. Tie, kas
childhood. I' e been old by he Embassy's Clima e 24 en i onmen ha i 's a e y
ne ous mo e. A pe son who li ed a e y in ense spi i ual li e had his g ea u ning,
his con e sion. On he wen y- hi d day o Decembe in he yea ou een, which
changed his whole li e, he hen kind o ga e up w i ing. God, i 's human, oo human,
ha 's wha I'm w i ing abou . I was so impo an o him, well, in he li e o a
mys ic, he e a e e en s like ha , hey' e decisi e, he e's a lo w i en abou i
he e. Dionysius he A eopagi e I mean, hey kind o ise abo e hese human hings,
abo e c ea i i y. And ha 's he kind o sen ence ha a lo o people say. This is one
o hem Tols oy. Milašius was one o hem. Tha is, in a wo d, he sensi i i y o his
childhood. Well, o us i was Ani, we saw he in Li huanian, because om he
Li huanian poin o iew, we saw he wi h ha
I see Li huania, when i was in he mids o a c isis, when his wo k was in such a
acuum pe iod, he was engaged in ansla ion a ha ime, ying somehow o
su i e ha c ea i e b eak. And hen he misses a place whe e he can ind himsel ,
as he says, in he si ua ion. So in his wo k, in ha me aphysical wo k, ha si ua ion
is o en used. So, e e y soul, e e y pe sonali y...
23 Mos likely om he Polish kwia ek […]gėlė[…].
24 Pe as Klimas (1891 Feb ua y 23, Kušliškiai […] Janua y 16, 1969 Kaunas) […] Signa o y o he Ac o
Independence, Minis e o Fo eign A ai s, diploma and publicis . On May 20, 1925, he was appoin ed
ex ao dina y en oy and minis e -designa e o F ance. This is whe e he wo ked wi h Osca .
I 's called milkshake.
Dionysius Ae opagus, his o ian and heologian o philosophy om he end o he 5 h cen u y o
he beginning o he 6 h cen u y. See also Max Rasius: Pseudo-Dionysius o A eopagus' insigh s
in o he li e o he goddess in he con ex o P ohodus. Logos 87, 35 o 42.
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Maceina, kad y a kul ū os p o enomenas. Ano Špengle io35, kiek iena kul ū a
u i sa o p o aizdį, p o enomeną. Tai liaudies daina kaip au os sielos iš aiška.
I 's w i en in Ge man, we ansla e i , we pu i in. The e we e also gue illa songs, which
cos me, ha is, he a icle hose hings, since he e we e gue illa songs, his was an
addi ional a icle o hem o publishing. You had an a icle in mind when you go caugh ,
didn' you? Well, ha was he s o y. The e was a shel in he co ido o he Academy o
Sciences. I was called he ou da ed hema ic ca alogue. And he e was e e y hing. The
censo didn' know whe e you pu hose books. So he b ochu es a e all ansla ed. And
some imes you o de i , and hey b ing i o you. Mos o he ime, he doesn' . Bu some imes
i does. And ha 's whe e we ind he Sep uagin legends abou he C uci ixion. And we' e
pu ing ou some kind o Bal ic magazine in Ge man o he Bal ic coun ies. And he e was
his a icle by Maceino. In Ge man. I was w i en in Ge man. No in Li huanian. We ansla ed
i and pu i in, now I can' emembe i i 's E hos o Pas ogé. I 's whe e hey caugh i , i 's
o ha pa isan song... so, he ly ical song is he same o us as he Egyp ian py amid, he
A ab a abesque, he Wes e n Eu opean cul u e, he E d in, Bach music and he like. I mean,
li e ally, when his gem o ou li e a u e was bo n, i was bo n ou o nos algia. Whoa! Whoa!
They didn' ! A e you yelling a me? […]36 Ou o nos algia, ha is, he passed. The na ion passed
on he li e a u e ha had s a ed in he i s place. The engine was p ecisely nos algia, bu
nos algia in he sense o pe haps a shmalco37, ha is, he sadness o he wo ld in he Reue38
pe iod in his way. So i you' e saying, I'm no saying his e y clea ly, you' e go o sc a ch
ha hing, my hypo hesis is maybe a li le bi oo bold, i needs o be comple ed, bu i in he
Reue pe iod, i you' e saying i was all beau i ul, okay, bu i was s ill a lo o sadness. The e's
ou song in gene al. In gene al, he ly ics a e e y sad. A lo o imes, we had a wo d like ha .
Aisa means such an inde ini e sadness o he wo ld. So he eme ging li e a u e was o ien ed
in he same di ec ion. And he o ien ed himsel in ha di ec ion and ook ha sadness om
he people, and hen, well, you look, he e's all hese billions, all hese ex s a e so eally
uncom o able. Nos algia is Li huanian, essen ially i 's human, d i en ou o hea en, longing
o he i s hea en, ha mony, he i s ha mony. I 's wha we call nos algia, bu maybe
he e's some hing b oade . Bu i 's a sepa a e s udy, so I p obably won' be able o do i
he e. I 's one o he main hemes o he book, and i 's one o he easons why I'm w i ing
abou nos algia in a way ha 's e y pe sonal. Oswald Spengle (bo n 29 May 1880, Blankenbu g
[…] 9 May 1936, Munich) is a Ge man his o ian and philosophe , a connoisseu o li e a u e and
he a s.
36 F om And ew he Tishbi e.
Thi y-se en yea s o he Schmalz "sen imen ali y".
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Language and des iny 301 sense, I don' know wha hen wi h ou li e a u e. I
e y quickly, among o he hings, eached he Eu opean le el. So, look, I w o e his
nas y ex he e, ecen ly i appea ed he e abou books and eading, ha I eel a
c uel complex, ha when he Russians had Tols oy he e all, well, Gogol and so on,
ha we had Mužiką Žemaičių and Li huanian Poškos. We s a ed om sc a ch, i
you don' coun he badness o he Donelino Union. So no only did hey des oy
laičio, ku is en šiek iek a ski ai s o i. Žodžiu, a ku bu o didžiausia Liub-
he kingdom, bu hey ook away ou language, and language is ou own. Fo us,
language is no jus a ma e o ge ing o know each o he . Language is
some hing mo e. And we' e ou o ha language. Bu al eady in he shadow o
Mykolaičius Pu in's Al o ius he e is a Eu opean-le el hing, ha has al eady been
achie ed. Well, maybe he's a li le bi o a p o incial smell, bu he s ill can' ge id
o i . And hen all o ou li e a u e and all o he li e a u e beyond is eally
Eu opean s u . [An an] Vaičiulai is is comple ely Eu opean, uneduca ed, among
o he hings, Sla ic. He didn pay ei he in Russian o Polish.
Kas oks?
I 's called a icose eins.
I hea d a whispe .
No, no, no a all. Melai is is he e on he side. In o he wo ds, Vaičiulai is was a
gene a ion, i was e y emphasized in ime, a e y sho pe iod, maybe a decade,
when he e was no need o s udy ei he Polish o Russian. He spoke English, he
spoke Ge man, wha e e he wan ed, bu no Polish, he spoke hese languages. Tai
Vaičiulaičios a he highly alued him as a e y good s ylis . In ac , i is. I mean,
li e ally, maybe he's no a s a in a Wes e n con ex , bu a Li huanian in gene al will ne e be.
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I was an in e na ional bes selle . I someone w i es in Li huanian, you ha e o
o ge his hing. This is jus wha we know abou Milose ic and Mikhailo ich in
ha con ex . Le 's go back o he nos algia and he Milaš. I mean, li e ally, I say,
his nos algia o he heme is a eal longing o be banished om Pa adise by
Adam, who was s ill e y close o Pa adise, and in gene al Li huanian cul u e, as I
say he e, again banal, bu no a emo ed om, i I ha e o hink o ha e e nal
g eenness, being in he ice, he desi e and e en he inabili y o c ea e o ms,
because he c ea ion o o ms. I 's wo h i . I 's wo h i . Yellow is yellow, isn' i ?
We ha e he whole complex. So we call i he nigh o he nigh o he nigh . The e's
a b eeze he e and he e's dea h. He who ma u es, dies. Whoe e acqui es a o m
becomes mo al. He who does no ake o m, balances only wi h o m. Wha is
e e g een, bu also e e nal. Well, i 's pa o who we a e, like, good o bad, i 's no
up o us, le 's call i wha we wan .
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T upu į ą sa o eiginį, kad iską galima as i kalboje, ik eikia ją a -
You' e going o ha e o s e ch i ou a li le bi . Since ou opic is Milašius, bu
Milašius didn' e en speak Li huanian, bu i 's s ill e y Li huanian. Well, on he one
hand, you say ha e e y hing can be ound in he language, you jus ha e o
a ac i , and on he o he hand, Milašius, who only spoke Li huanian... Well,
he e is such a kind o con adic ion he e. Bu i doesn' eally exis , because
e e y hing can be ound in language, so we ha e a me hod, which was al eady so
much despised, bu i i wasn' o ha me hod, we wouldn' ha e w i en hose
wel e books o ou s, I wouldn' be he e. And inally, Sauda g, he's being
ehabili a ed in his book you ha e in Li huanian. Well, i , in a nu shell, wha we did
hal -consciously, no eally ealizing wha we we e doing, is now called e y
scien i ic cogni i e linguis ics.
Wha linguis ics?
I 's called cogni ion. F om he wo d cognio […] knowledge. I is he la es linguis ic ool o
ūšis, jai d idešim me ų ik ai, aip oliau. Tai čia apie uos me odus. Tai a,
žodžiu, kalba mums y a sa as ies dalis. Ki oms au oms kalba, kokiems no s
Belgians o anyone else. They can speak Welsh, hey can speak Flemish, bu all hey need o do
is communica e. And o us, language means ha we lose language, we lose a pa o
ou sel es, and a he same ime we lose li e a u e, and e e y hing collapses. So he language
we ha e is, well, I don' wan o s a elling you how old i is, Sansk i , and so on. Tha is, in a
wo d, he subjec s o speech a e […] essen ial. Now Milašius paid a li le in Li huanian, bu i
he had paid well, ha was beside he poin . We call him a i h-deg ee Li huanian. Why is ha ?
I don' know wha i is, bu some people say i 's Be iae , o he s say i 's someone else who said
ha e e y na ion is a ce ain idea o God. So God c ea ed a na ion, jus like man, o embody a
ce ain idea. These a e e y b igh na ions, hese a e Chechens, I know hese people well, I' e
been he e many imes, hey ascina ed me and hey' e s ill he e, al hough now hey show
up and hey ha e enough black people. Tha , in a wo d, is he p oblem o eedom o he
Czechs. Chechnya is he same as eedom. I' e e en said ha hey once w o e he e ha he
Czechs a e no a na ion, bu a "sos ojanie duchy", which ansla es o "a s a e o a ai s".
I mean, li e ally, i 's e e y na ion, well, he e's a mix u e o na ions -- i 's ha de o ge
he e, bu we ha e ha idea. Whoe e ge s he idea is Li huanian. Anyone who li es in i is
Li huanian. He can' e en pay in Li huanian anymo e. The subjec s o speech a e sui able o
hose o he so-called i s h ee o ou deg ees. "Milaeus is a hie in he nigh , a hie in
he sky, a hie in he nigh , a hie in he nigh , a hie in he nigh , a hie in he nigh , a
hie in he nigh , a hie in he nigh , a hie in he nigh , a hie in he nigh ."
as, eliginio egzis encializmo a s o as.
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Language and des iny 303 Li huania. A iend says be o e he dies: Go and, i you wan ,
go and do wha I can do. Came o Li huania, he e, and so on. Ve y o go en o no
eason, E e o's ex is unca ed, he wen he e du ing he wa somehow
[…]Li huania is he Eu opean Adam[…]. I mean, i 's wo h paying a en ion o. Tha 's
wha we' e alking abou . I 's comple ely au onomous, we' e only ecen ly
disco e ed his ex he e, so i 's, like, hese hough s. So ha he phenomenon o
Milose ic speaks in his case h ough he idea o he na ion. The na ion ha
ca ches i , we ha en' caugh i ye , we ha en' igu ed ou when we' e going o
ge h ough i . Tha 's when we had a o um yes e day on ele ision, wha o do o
s op leeing Li huania, and he local economis s sa down. They a e nai e. And I hink
hey' e going o keep he Li huanian ugi i es he e h ough he economy. Whoe e
has oo s cul u ally and exis en ially will ne e go away, despi e all economies.
The e's a wo d called bu šaknis, I don' know i you' e hea d o i .
Koks?
Bu ch. The lowe classes ha e o keep up. The whole ibe is he place whe e he
ibe was bo n. The whole ibe can lea e, bu he bu che s ays in place and
doesn' go anywhe e. He p o ec s he na ions, he ances o s [land]. So as long as
he e a e bu che s in Li huania, he e may be no h ee million, bu h ee hund ed
housand, bu i he e a e bu che s, we will no go anywhe e. These hings a e
e y impo an . You ha e o le go o he oo . The oo can only be inse ed
cul u ally. I you oo s a e weak, hey' e e y easy o up oo . Well, and hen he
wa e o emig a ion b ings, like his, you know, Russian "pe eka i pole" such a plan
is, h ough he s eppe i is such a ball, i s ops somewhe e, some imes i le s in he
oo , i s ops and hen i pulls ou again, and i ca ies again. So i 's he same wi h
us. All he emig a ion, all he economies, all he icks wi h all he axes won' do
any good i he e a e no oo s. And he e's wha you' e going o ead, a he
beginning he e's a line ha says, "Wha a e we like, hey build houses ou o clay,
hey sing songs o he old people". These a e bu che s, and hey' e no going anywhe e. They'll be he e no ma e i he e's wa o plague o amine. I will s ay he e.
Maybe ha 's he igh ques ion o ask igh now. Abou he desi e o
Osca Milose ic, such an e o . Oska Milašius' desi e and e o was o
add ano he one o he an ique and biblical dimensions wi h he Li huanian
cen e. By he way, I came ac oss his opic in a e y in e es ing con ex . I
was making a ilm abou Czechoslo akia and Milos a he ime, and I was
p epa ing i , and I was in I aly o qui e some ime on he island o Cap i. And
hen being in ha an ique as well as cul u al lap, bu in ha zone, and
pą, pami šau pa adinimą knygos. Gim oji Eu opa, ku ioje jis... A ba
ne, apsk i ai apie jo ši ą LDK e d ės su okimą. I aš ada gal oju: Die-
aži, be ai y a iš isa kul ū a, ku i kaip iš isa dimensija, ku i niekaip
hinking abou Czechoslo ak Miloš's nex Eu oneus in ha pe cep ion o
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Wes e n Eu ope. In o he wo ds, I'm no going o spoil my hough s he e,
which a e no smoo h, bu when I come back, could you commen on
Milose ic's a emp o add ano he dimension o an iqui y and he Bible
wi h he Li huanian cen e ? Well, Milose ic's I'm kind o wha you call an
an ique dimension maybe jus some kind o oo s ep. Now, I need o hink
his h ough. I mean, in Eu ope, in Eu opean cul u e, he e's his dimension.
Well, we hink o i as Li huania, which means ha when Spengle calcula ed he
se en g ea ci iliza ions he e, Toinbis40 […] wen y- h ee o some hing. Li huania
galima laiky i isiškai a ski a ci ilizacija, kaip E hoso kul ū os p asme. Jeigu
kul ū ą ski s y i į E hos i Logos kul ū as, ai Lie u a y a a ski as da inys, ku is
s ands ou om he es o he wo ld. He is ha dly no iceable. Like I said, ha 's
why i 's no iceable ha i doesn' o m. Acco ding o Kan , wo hings ascina e
me: he s a y hea ens abo e me, he wo ld o he Logos, and he mo al law wi hin
me. So, his wo ld o E hos, he mo al law in me, he e in Li huania is ci iliza ion, in
his ield. We ha e a ully de eloped calenda sys em o celeb a ions. We' e go all
hese decen cou s. And i 's no compa a i ely damaged, bu i 's no damaged.
So, in ha con ex , his Milose ic, he had ano he p oblem, I hink, ha he called
biblical. He is, his mo he was Jewish. So I know a ew o hese cha ac e s he e,
like Le o Palmai is, who is no e y well known he e, bu one o he mos
in e es ing igu es in con empo a y Li huania. I w o e a book wi h him, I can gi e
i as a gi . "Who and when kidnapped Eu ope". Well, he o iginal, he b illian
speake , he doesn' ha e any hing o ea igh now, so on. All hose speake s a e
wi h a sligh ly o e u ned oo , no hing else. Speake s a e ex ao dina y people,
hey en e ha wo ld and can' ge ou . I mean, Milašius, going back o him, look, I
wen o he meadow and now. Oh, he Bible. He's spen his whole li e, he's spen his
whole li e going back o ha biblical heme, because he and Saul o Ta sus [d ama,
1914], le 's say, Ch is ian, bu , o example, he e's his Nihumim [w i ing collec ion,
1915] and o he hings ha a e al eady biblical. So ha 's i . And he's been sol ing
his whole li e's p oblem be ween ha Li huanianness and, as you said.
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This was one o he cases whe e he decided in he o m o ha mony, ha is, he died in
ha mony, be ween hese wo e y impo an ci iliza ional beginnings. This is a e y a e
case. He had a lo o p oblems, and so did 40 A nold J. Toynbee (Ap il 14, 1889, London […]
Oc obe 25, 1975),
Jo kas) – ga sus is o ijos, ci ilizacijų iloso as.
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Language and des iny 305 did no decide, emained sec e enemies o Ch is iani y,
al hough i was o mally bap ized. The e's a d op o biblical blood he e. He e y
o en b eaks h ough e y unexpec edly and loses mos by ei he collapsing,
en e ing in o a kind o schizoph enia... Milašius a he same ime emained a
ai h ul Ca holic, he w o e o he Pope. The p ophecy was sen by someone,
appa en ly Ma i an, who accused him o p ophecy, o was allowed o be his
p ophe […] his is no e y accep able in Ca holicism. The answe o he Pope, o
mo e p ecisely, his sec e a y, was o mal, bu b ie : Thank you, you a e e y
alen ed. P obably yes. Milašius was mos amous o his p ophecies, bu a he
same ime he emained ai h ul o his Jewish blood. I 's a biblical heme ha 's been
de eloped in a alen ed, b illian way, and i 's e en -- i 's go hese hings in place. I
was ano he ic o y o him. I can be said ha she died in ime […] hi y-nine
yea s. You can imagine i he had s ayed ali e in ascis -occupied Pa is, wha his
a e would ha e been - Buchenwald o some hing. Some hing aw ul. Dying, wai ing
o a bi d in he pa k, jus such an ideal en i onmen , you migh say. He g abbed
he by he colla bone. Bu I unde s and i was a he ho el whe e he was s aying?
Tha 's when I ealized ha he cana y had escaped and led in o he ield.
I igu ed i ou in he oom.
Maybe we should be mo e speci ic.
We wen o he house whe e he li ed, and he e was an in e es ing s o y,
bu I didn' do he mo ie, i was pos poned. People li e he e now, ha
house was u ned in o such a pollu ed place du ing he wa . The people
who mo ed in said ha when hey mo ed in, hey we e d essed up and so
on. Tha house was e y beau i ul. Bu ha 's ano he ma e . Since I
don' ha e ime, I'll go back o he Li huanian o Milos. You seem o ha e
men ioned, I don' know i you' e said e e y hing, wha is his Milose ic's
Li huania, o , as you said, he appoin ed place on ea h?
He was looking o a way ou o he c ea i e c isis, and I' e al eady alked abou i , ha
he e was a kind o s agna ion. He ied o publish a magazine, engaged in ansla ions.
The e's going o be c ea i e people o hese b eaks, le 's call hem c ea i e. And hen he
began o look o some hing o s and on, o pu himsel in a place whe e he could s and,
which could be he s imulus o his wo k. And he e, unexpec edly, a ole was played by
Mau ice P ozo as42, who is a Ba a ian, who pa icipa ed in he ebellion, somewhe e om
Pakaunė. He d ew a en ion o he Li huanian na u e o his wo k. Jacques Ma i ain (1882 -
Ap il 28, 1973) was a F ench w i e and philosophe .
Mau ice P ozo as (429 - 28 Janua y 1849, Vilnius […] 10 May 1928, Nice) was a F ench w i e ,
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I'll ell you wha . I' e been hinking abou his o a while now, and I' e been hinking
abou he idea o going o a place called Pa adise Island, a place ha 's clean,
beau i ul, unadul e a ed, whe e you can pu you sel and ge a new boos o you
c ea i i y. I guess e e y man eels so ou o place […] he's looking o whe e I'm
om, who I am, whe e my oo s a e, oo s he's looking o , well. And hen all o a
sudden, his P ozo opens his eyes: he emembe s hose ga dens again, he
ėl į aikys ę, ą Ani. Ta Ani i Lie u a y a maždaug as pa s. T ans o muojasi
egene a es in his own way.
Is he Sa o i me apho mul i-laye ed o no ?
O cou se, I don' know wha wo d you' e using he e, he e's all kinds o e ms.
And hen he s a s eading lec u es, bu I wan o emphasize ha he e a e no
con ac s wi h he embassy ye , he e is no ma e ial in e es in i , I speci y hose
hings e y speci ically by da e and so on. And he s a s alking, elling abou
Li huania as a kind o pa adise, he i s pa adise, he coun y, he e's he smell
o he lines, he e's he wol es..., in o he wo ds, he geniuses, ha would
u a jam ampa s ajonių mis ine ė yne. Ta p ki ko, kai pi mą ka ą a ažia o į
p obably be in schools, would ha e ha ex ... A e he Fi s Wo ld Wa , imagine,
Kyba ai, he uins, lowed, looded Li huania. Bu he s ill doesn' gi e up on he , he
hones ly se es he wi h his language, his speech, his connec ions, he plays a e y
big ole. The F enchman immedia ely eels ha he has business wi h some cul u al
coun y, and he eads di e en ly. Tha 's how Li huania egene a es om
childhood. He eally lo ed Li huania, i was pe haps mo e ha "childhood ga den"
o him, ha ideal image. Then he i mly e uses o bend. The Poles d agged him,
ied o make him a Pole, bu he jus cu hem p e y badly, e en oughly.
The e o e, Zbo o sky emained un inished. Milašius was wo king on he mo o
Taip, his new c ea i e e i al began. A he same ime, he became in e es ed in
Li huanian ai y ales. The mos p oduc i e pe iod begins om ha place.
Those me aphysical ex s o his we e w i en hen.
Tha 's igh . He s a ed w i ing me aphysics when he had wha we call a Jewish
sandal. Then he had a se e e seizu e. And i all wo ked ou . Saul o Ta sus, who
con e ed on he oad o Damascus, became Paul, which is a e y Ch is ian mo i e.
Ne e heless, I would conside his symphonies: "Un inished", "O he s" o be a he
peak o his wo k. The e's he melody, he e's he melody, bu he e's also he
meaning, and he e's he Li huanian, and he e's he biblical sand, as you said. The
ly ics a e beau i ul, he ly ics a e beau i ul, and so on. The Maña a (Migelis
Manja a […] ed. pas .) is also a e y s ong hing. Maña a is he his o y o he
ounde o he Jesui o de , only named di e en ly. And wi h i , his own s o y. The
co po eal lo e u ns in o he di ine one. I 's a e y powe ul hing. I comple ely
eplica es Lojolas biog aphy. Lojola he wounded o ice becomes a scound el, es ablishes a mili a y o de . The Jesui s a e he soldie s o he chu ch. Compañía di Gesu ansla es as "F iendship o Jesus" o "F iendship o Jesus".
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Language and des iny Language and des iny 307 Absolu ely no a iend, we need o
ansla e "mili a y o Jesus's hu ", i.e. mili a y uni . I we we e o di ide all he
books w i en by he Jesui s, each Jesui has w i en an a e age o 12 books
(some scien i ic wo ks o wha e e ). Ve y well-educa ed o de . And when hey
a e bu ied, he e a e no names o su names. The e is such an anecdo e. He w i es
ha a Jesui ge s an o de , he's been wo king somewhe e o a long ime, he's
doing well he e, and suddenly he ge s an o de o ge on a boa and go o a
comple ely di e en place. And he's o men ed all nigh , like his is going o be,
wha I'm going o do, he says, "Damn i , i s he Jesui ge s he o de , si s in he
boa and hen he's o men ed". He e's ano he momen om you ex . You
quo e om Nihumim: "In li e, I know ha he wo ld's six days a e gi en o e eal
wha needs o be known in he se en h". Wha was ha se en h day o Osca
Milose ic, wha did i look like?
Sunku pasaky i. Sep in oji diena – sekmadienis, nelabai žinau, kaip ak uo i
ši ą dalyką. Nežinau, kaip a saky i.
I was eminded o ano he simple bu e y beau i ul no el by Tho n on
Wilde , Eigh h Day. God c ea ed he wo ld in six days, es ed on he
se en h, bu no one knows how long God's day is. And i 's he eigh h day.
Tha 's wha I had in mind when I asked abou Milose ic. I unde s and ha
his ascen o he hea ens is nea ing i s peak...
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I hink he answe o he ques ion o he se en h day is some hing
like his.
Tha 's good. Well, ha 's a good guess. I 's a pi y ha I like God so much when God
enjoys his wo k. Well, he does, and hen he d inks. So I don' know i i was he
se en h day o he eigh h. Maybe eigh , I guess. I mean, I guess I jus had en yea s
o wo k on he sha . Well, he e's he expulsion om he Academy o Sciences,
and so on. Tha is, in a wo d, i you make such a beau i ul mound, a mound o
eclama ion, i goes o was e. And o he i s ime in my li e, I'll p obably ne e
eel beau i ul again. I made a s aigh , beau i ul, wa e all low, he e and so on. And
I enjoyed my wo k. O cou se, I swea ed a lo he e. And a e ha , I' e ne e
expe ienced such a e i al, nei he in w i ing books, no e en mo e so in wo king
he e in he Sejm, bu i you' e a man, i 's necessa y he e, i you do e e y hing
igh and do some hing, you ha e o be beau i ul you sel . You need o ake he
ime o do ha and no be ashamed o i . I'm no b agging abou any p ize o
sakau, labai keis a, be aš p adėjau p ie g io ių ą okį i ik ai būda o g ažu. Čia
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any hing, i i was me, I'd ha e g own up he e, I don' know wha , I' e ne e e en
seen i , i 's a beau i ul a ine now, i 's clea ha a e he di is spilled, wi h
ha pi che , wi h ha piece o six hou s. Bu he c ea u es a e beau i ul. I 's
he same wi h God. He was looking a he wo ld he had c ea ed and he was d inking.
I don' know, maybe he se en h, maybe he eigh h. God li es a se en, and we li e
a eigh . Le 's y o imp o e. I don' know i I should add any hing o his, bu I had
o ead Pe e Klim's memoi s abou he las pe iod, he las yea s o Oska Milas,
when he li ed in he embassy, when someone came o him, he would come down. Well,
some people ake i o g an ed. Now ha you' e seen hese memo ies o he
clima e, wha do you hink o ha las pe iod? I hadn' eally go en o know hem
ha deeply, bu I do unde s and ha people like ha , well, hey look wei d. So hey
could be he e al eady, and maybe hey' e sick. I mean, o example, well, ha 's he
same Le o Palma. I 's a man who's al eady buil i he e al eady, li e ally, p oblems
wi h i . I swea , I emembe him, all hei embassies, hei collec i es, all he
galėjo a ody i en keis okai, su pa ažia usiu s ogu. I kai y a nuo auka okia,
d i e s, e e y hing. Well, you know, e e ybody's s anding i m. And he's go his
oo on his oo , and he's a li le ne ous in ha pose. You know, i 's a pe son who
li es a pu ely spi i ual and no an easy spi i ual li e, a ense one, and ha 's his eal
li e, ha 's him he e, he can ind, well, no a all. The e's no hing wonde ul abou
i . And i i wasn' o ha , I'd be su p ised.
Looking a you, I hink you' e a li le bi like Milose ic.
Well, maybe you' e a li le con used.
His eyes a e e y imp essi e in he pic u es. And he e's e en a li le
piece, eigh een o hi y seconds long, whe e he's smoking by he
window, and i 's eally imp essi e o look a .
Well, he used o make jokes like ha in he e. They we e si ing somewhe e in a
es au an wi h a iend, and he was alking dis espec ully abou he ai h o abou
he Popes, he Ca holicism. So ins ead o pu ing him in a es au an , he pa ked him
he e and apologized. And he p ayed and apologized a he same ime. Imagine a
es au an whe e wo people si down and p ay. Well, he e a e hings like ha , bu
i 's jus o geniuses, you know, hey, wi h hem... i 's good ha i is, because i 's he
opposi e o allowing you sel oo much. Like my li le b o he , i 's been he e o e e .
Well, like all subjec s.
We' e been alking a lo he e, so make su e you cu i sho . No, i
ne e all goes in o he mo ie. I was jus hinking las nigh ,
anksčiau u ėjau p og amą ele izijoj, u ėjau laidą, be daba ne u iu
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Language and des iny 309 and I don' wan o ha e i , bu I igu ed i I
could ind some ime o y minu es o ind ime wi h you
i jeigu Jūs su as umė laiko, galbū eikė ų is dėl o kokį isdešim ,
sepa a ely.
Wha 's he heme?
The u moil, he u moil o li e and all hose u ns o li e. Well, I don' mind,
maybe I'm al eady he e alking so you don' ha e o know how.
Wha ha e you been alking abou ?
Well, he e's no sho age o hose wi es.
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He looks a us he same way, le 's call him di e en ly.
Va bū en . Aš manau, kad bū en dėl o i eikia pada y i. Šiaip aš la-
bai dėkingas, kad Sauda gas už edė šią emą, aš kažkaip gal i būčiau
has no en e ed. Now ha I' e e en s a ed, I' e ead his ex , and i 's
a wo d ha 's ha d o me o p onounce.
I 's called cogni ion. Cogni i e knowledge.
I 's called cogni ion.
The mand ake, he mand ake.
Bu , li e ally, hese linguis ic de i a i es a e e y in e es ing in a
good way, and I hink i 's e y mode n. I hink i 's no eso e ic, bu
i 's scien i ic.
The e a e no eso e icis s he e.
F om a scien i ic poin o iew...
The poin is ha we' e hoping, and i 's no news la ely, ha sound and meaning
a e ela ed. So sound means, and meaning can be hea d. Sound […] means o hea
meaning […]. This was in e up ed a e he disas e o he Towe o Babel. So
humani y has begun o be silen . We belie e ha in he Li huanian-speaking wo ld,
his ela ionship has su i ed. Sound means, and meaning can be hea d in he o m
o sound. Well, who ca es abou ha ? I 's no news. I 's news only o ou
speake s, because hey' e behind by an unknown numbe o yea s.
I also emembe ed one mo e hing ha I didn' see when I ead
ha ex . I 's abou he eye and he image. No, i 's abou he sound and he pic u e.
Abou he eye and he ea ?