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BRIDGING THE PRACTICAL AGILE SKILLS GAP:
IMMERSIVE GAMIFICATION FOR ENHANCING SOFT SKILLS IN
ENGINEERING EDUCATION
T. Lucio Nie o1
Compu e Science and Enginee ing Depa men , School o Enginee ing
Tecnológico de Mon e ey
Mon e ey, México
ORCID: 0009-0003-6428-8357
D. L. González-Bañales
Ins i u o Tecnológico de Du ango/Tecnológico Nacional de México
Du ango, México,
ORCID: 0000-0003-4696-7519
Con e ence Key A eas: P ac ice pape . Con e ence Key A eas: Enginee ing skills,
p o essional skills, and ans e sal skills (T ack 10) and Con inuing educa ion and
li e-long lea ning in enginee ing (T ack 8).
Keywo ds: Educa ional Inno a ion, Gami ica ion, P o essional So Skills, Agile
P ojec Managemen , Imme si e Simula ion
ABSTRACT
The accele a ing pace o digi al ans o ma ion demands pedagogical inno a ions
ha e ec i ely in eg a e heo y wi h eal-wo ld p ac ice, pa icula ly in Agile p ojec
managemen wi hin enginee ing educa ion. This s udy examines he implemen a ion
o he Egyp Challenge Simula o , an imme si e gami ica ion-based s a egy
designed o add ess he pe sis en gap be ween concep ual unde s anding and
p ac ical applica ion o Agile me hodologies. Th ough a simula ion ha eplica es
complex p ojec managemen scena ios, in o ma ion echnology s uden s engaged in
i e a i e cycles, collabo a i e decision-making, and ole-based lea ning ha spanned
all phases o p ojec execu ion. The in e en ion e ealed signi ican de elopmen in
i e co e compe ency domains: engagemen and lea ning e icacy, p epa edness o
p o essional con ex s, applied echnical knowledge, c ea i e eamwo k, and adap i e
collabo a ion. The indings unde sco e how imme si e gami ica ion os e s he
simul aneous de elopmen o echnical and in e pe sonal skills, aligning educa ional
expe iences wi h con empo a y indus y expec a ions. This p ac ice-based model
o e s a ans e able amewo k o cul i a ing he mul idimensional so and echnical
skill se essen ial o digi ally ans o med p o essional en i onmen s.
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T. Lucio Nie o
e e.lucio@ ec.mx
1 INTRODUCTION
The apid digi aliza ion and ans o ma ion o he global economy ha e unde sco ed
he need o inno a i e pedagogical app oaches in highe educa ion, and he
in eg a ion o game-like elemen s in o non-game con ex s, has eme ged as a
p omising s a egy o enhance in o ma ion echnology s uden lea ning and
engagemen . Resea che s ha e explo ed he po en ial o gami ica ion o imp o e no
only academic pe o mance (Ja amillo-Media illa e al., 2024) bu also he
de elopmen o so skills (Zainuddin e al., 2024), such as communica ion, sel -
mo i a ion, eamwo k, esul -o ien ed a i ude, p oblem-sol ing, and in e pe sonal
skills (Al-Azawi e al., 2019; Lucio Nie o & Ma inez T e iño, 2023; Lucio-Nie o &
Gonzalez-Bañales, 2023). Ku ko ksy (2015) highligh s he e sa ili y o gami ica ion
in so wa e enginee ing educa ion, no ing i s abili y o encou age s uden
pa icipa ion, inc ease knowledge sha ing, and mo i a e he de elopmen o so
skills (Ba bosa Mon ei o e al., 2021). Simila ly o he abo e, a s udy on he
implemen a ion o gami ica ion in an accoun ing unde g adua e p og am in B azil
ound ha s uden s pe cei ed signi ican imp o emen s in a ange o skills, including
cu iosi y, leade ship, ini ia i e, pe sis ence, adap abili y, collabo a ion, and c i ical
hinking (De Oli ei a Du so e al., 2020).
The applica ion o gami ica ion in agile so wa e de elopmen amewo ks, such as
Sc um and Kanban, has ga ne ed pa icula in e es . Agile me hodologies
emphasize collabo a ion, lexibili y, and con inuous imp o emen , aligning closely
wi h he so skills ha gami ica ion aims o os e (Ba celos Bica & Sil a, 2020;
Dann, 2018; Lucio Nie o & Ma inez T e iño, 2023; Lucio-Nie o & Gonzalez-Bañales,
2023). The gap be ween academic p epa a ion and indus y expec a ions in Agile
me hodology implemen a ion ep esen s a c i ical challenge in enginee ing
educa ion.
Acco ding o ecen indus y epo s, 71% o o ganiza ions ha e adop ed Agile
app oaches o digi al ans o ma ion ini ia i es, bu p ojec s s ill ail o deli e
expec ed alue due o insu icien p ac ical Agile skills (Digi al.ai, 2023; Fo bes,
2023b, 2023a). Conside ing he abo e, his p ac ice pape p esen s e idence o how
he "Egyp Challenge Simula o " (GamingWo ks, n.d.) add esses his gap by
imme sing enginee ing s uden s in ealis ic scena ios ha demand bo h echnical
compe ence and essen ial so skills.
The main ques ion guiding his p ac ical expe ience is, how can imme si e
gami ica ion s a egies b idge he p ac ical Agile skills gap and e ec i ely enhance
so skills in enginee ing educa ion o dynamic digi al ans o ma ion con ex s?
2 CONTEXT AND PRACTICAL WORK
2.1 Key ac o s ha in luence he de elopmen o so skills in u u e
in o ma ion echnology enginee s
Sys ema ic li e a u e e iew highligh s he need o clea amewo ks o e ec i ely
inco po a e so skills in o In o ma ion Technology (IT) enginee ing educa ion,
emphasizing a a ie y o ac o s including: Educa ional Me hodologies and Lea ning
(Ca alcan e e al., 2024), Gami ica ion o engagemen and in e ac ion (Al-Azawi e
al., 2019; De e ding, 2012; Dubois & Tambu elli, 2013; Lucio Nie o & Ma inez
T e iño, 2023; Lucio-Nie o & Gonzalez-Bañales, 2023), Cu iculum design o align
educa ional ou comes wi h indus y needs (Cima i, 2016), Indus y Expec a ions &
P ac ical Knowledge (Bekbola e al., 2024; Bu beko a, 2021; Mohammed &
Ozdamli, 2024), Collabo a ion and Teamwo k (Ahmed e al., 2012; Bekbola e al.,
2024; Ca alcan e e al., 2024, 2024; Mohammed & Ozdamli, 2024), Adap abili y and
Con inuous Lea ning (Rod igues da Fonseca e al., 2019), P oblem-Sol ing and
C i ical Thinking (Ahe n e al., 2019; Özyu , 2015), Communica ion Skills (Bekbola
e al., 2024; Ca alcan e e al., 2024; Mohammed & Ozdamli, 2024; Rod igues da
Fonseca e al., 2019), Leade ship and P ojec Managemen (A ença e al., 2023;
Bekbola e al., 2024; Ca alcan e e al., 2024; I ia e & Bayona, 2021; Mohammed &
Ozdamli, 2024; Rod igues da Fonseca e al., 2019), C ea i i y and Inno a ion (Al-
Yahya e al., 2021; Bekbola e al., 2024; Mohammed & Ozdamli, 2024), and
Emo ional In elligence (Ayeni e al., 2024; Kapadwala & Joseph, 2023; Lucio &
González-Bañales, 2023).
The abo e li e a u e e iew e eals a c i ical need o in eg a ed amewo ks ha
b idge heo y and p ac ice in IT enginee ing educa ion. E idence demons a es ha
e ec i e so skills de elopmen equi es a mul idimensional educa ional app oach
whe e ac i e eaching me hodologies, cu iculum design, and indus y alignmen
wo k in conce .
2.2 O e iew o “Egyp Challenge Simula o ”
The "Egyp Challenge Simula o " (GamingWo ks, n.d.) is an imme si e educa ional
ool designed o acili a e he applica ion o Agile me hodologies among in o ma ion
echnology enginee ing s uden s h ough a simula ed en i onmen inspi ed by
ancien Egyp . In his simula ion, eams collabo a i ely cons uc a py amid o he
Pha aoh, adap ing o changing equi emen s using Agile p ac ices like sp in s,
p oduc backlogs, and sp in e iews. The p ima y ocus is on enhancing eamwo k,
communica ion, and Agile comp ehension o imp o e p ojec ou comes. While he
“Egyp Challenge Simula o ” is adap able o a ious educa ional con ex s, i is
pa icula ly designed o inal-yea unde g adua e and g adua e-le el enginee ing
s uden s p epa ing o en e he wo k o ce in digi al ans o ma ion oles.
The a ge audience includes s uden s specializing in so wa e enginee ing,
in o ma ion sys ems, compu e science, and ela ed disciplines who equi e p ac ical
expe ience in Agile p ojec managemen be o e indus y placemen . Addi ionally,
simula ion se es as a aluable p o essional de elopmen ool o ea ly-ca ee
enginee s ansi ioning o Agile en i onmen s, as well as enginee ing educa o s
seeking o inco po a e expe ien ial lea ning me hodologies in o hei eaching
p ac ice. The simula o 's design accommoda es pa icipan s wi h a ying le els o
p io exposu e o Agile amewo ks, making i sui able o bo h in oduc o y and
ad anced cou ses in p ojec managemen and so wa e de elopmen
me hodologies. The simula o o e s a undamen ally di e en pe spec i e om
adi ional enginee ing educa ion app oaches.
While con en ional me hods o en sepa a e echnical and so skills de elopmen in o
dis inc componen s, his simula ion delibe a ely in eg a es hem wi hin a uni ied
expe ience. This simula ion app oach acknowledges ha in p o essional se ings,
echnical and in e pe sonal compe encies ope a e simul aneously a he han
sequen ially. Addi ionally, he simula o e ames he educa ional dynamic by
posi ioning ins uc o s as acili a o s while placing s uden s a he cen e o hei
lea ning jou ney. Tha b oadened pe spec i e ul ima ely p epa es s uden s mo e
comp ehensi ely o he di e se challenges o digi al ans o ma ion en i onmen s:
collabo a ion, adap abili y, p oblem-sol ing, communica ion, leade ship, c ea i i y,
and emo ional in elligence. O e iew o he "Egyp Challenge Simula o ":
• Main Objec i es: The simula ion aims o each pa icipan s abou Agile-
based p ojec managemen p inciples and heo ies, including ini ia ing,
execu ing, and comple ing Agile p ojec s. I emphasizes he de elopmen o
skills and beha io s c ucial o success ul p ojec managemen , he dual ole
o indi iduals as bo h success ac o s and isks, he c ea ion o cus ome
alue, and he impo ance o in eg a ing people, p ocesses, p oduc s, and
pa ne s o enhance p ojec managemen and con ol.
• Gene al P ocess: The "Egyp Challenge Simula o " imme ses pa icipan s in
Agile P ojec Managemen p inciples h ough a se ies o s uc u ed ac i i ies.
I begins wi h an in oduc ion o he simula ion's ca ds, oles, and pu pose,
ollowed by a p epa a ion wo kshop o simula e Agile p ojec ini ia ion. The
simula ion emphasizes decision-making, e lec ion, and con inuous
imp o emen , key elemen s o Agile, h ough a ious s ages including
decision-making, e lec ion sessions, and sp in e ospec i es.
• Scena io: Se in ancien Egyp , he simula ion in ol es a Pha aoh seeking o
secu e his a e li e. The Pha aoh collabo a es wi h a High P ies and a eam o
expe s o ou line p oduc equi emen s, which he eam hen p io i izes and
de elops in sp in s, adap ing o changes using Agile p inciples. Pa icipan s
a e equi ed o wea Pha aoh cos umes.
• Key Ac i i ies: The simula ion includes ac i i ies ocused on o ganizing and
managing he p ocess, p oduc design using MoSCoW (Mus ha e, Should
ha e, Could ha e, and Won' ha e) p io i iza ion and use s o ies, isk
managemen , and he acili a o ole, which in ol es suppo ing he Team
Leade , ac ing as he Pha aoh, and p omo ing lea ning by doing.
• Pa icipan s: The simula o is designed o g oups o 8-12 pa icipan s and
does no necessi a e p io p ojec managemen knowledge.
• Execu ion Phases: This phase s a s wi h he p epa a ion o he i s sp in ,
ollowed by i s execu ion, which simula es mon hs o p ojec wo k wi h s and-
up mee ings and e en handling. This is ollowed by a sp in e iew o assess
he p oduc and ga he s akeholde eedback, a e ospec i e o discuss
e ec i eness and iden i y imp o emen s, and concludes wi h p ojec closu e,
cap u ing lessons lea ned o eal-li e applica ion.
2.3 Implemen a ion Con ex
The simula ion expe ience wi h "Egyp Challenge Simula o " (Challenge o Egyp )
in ol ed 36 enginee ing s uden s o ganized in o c oss- unc ional eams asked wi h
digi ally ans o ming an ancien Egyp ian ci iliza ion h ough a six-hou session
co e ing all p ojec phases om ini ial equi emen s ga he ing o inal deli e y.
A he end o he simula ion, s uden s comple ed a s uc u ed esea ch ins umen
speci ically designed o his s udy. This ins umen consis ed o wo sec ions: 1) a
i e-poin Like scale comp ising 25 i ems g ouped ac oss key dimensions aligned
wi h so skills cons uc s (e.g., engagemen , collabo a ion, adap abili y, c ea i i y,
and lea ning ans e ), and 2) h ee open-ended ques ions aimed a cap u ing
e lec i e insigh s on hei lea ning expe ience and pe cei ed skill enhancemen . The
ins umen was de eloped based on exis ing li e a u e on so skills in enginee ing
educa ion and gami ica ion-based lea ning, and i s con en alidi y was e iewed by
h ee expe s in educa ional inno a ion.
This implemen a ion was conduc ed wi hin a Compu e Science and Enginee ing
Depa men o a highe educa ion ins i u ion in Mexico wi h s ong indus y
connec ions. The pa icipa ing s uden s we e en olled in an ad anced In o ma ion
Technology cou se ocused on digi al ans o ma ion amewo ks, wi h he simula ion
se ing as a caps one expe ien ial lea ning ac i i y. The simula ion was acili a ed by
ins uc o s wi h indus y expe ience in Agile me hodologies, ensu ing au hen ic
applica ion o p inciples in an educa ional en i onmen ha emphasizes e idence-
based eaching p ac ices and ac i e lea ning me hodologies— e lec ing he g owing
global end o in eg a ing imme si e expe iences in o enginee ing educa ion.
3 RESULTS AND INSIGHTS
3.1 Iden i ied So Skills
Based on he collec ed da a an explo a o y ac o analysis was conduc ed o
examine he unde lying s uc u e o he “Egyp Challenge Simula o ” ques ionnai e
esponses. The analysis yielded a i e- ac o solu ion ha explained 68.32% o he
o al a iance. The o a ed solu ion e ealed i e so skills componen s:
• Componen 1 "Engagemen and Lea ning E ec i eness" (explaining
24.15% o a iance, α = .87): emphasizes he lea ne 's engagemen ,
a en ion, and he ac i i y's con ibu ion o hei lea ning.
• Componen 2 "Fu u e Readiness and Sa is ac ion" (16.47% o a iance, α
= .83): ep esen s he lea ne 's sense o p epa edness o he u u e and hei
o e all sa is ac ion wi h he ac i i y.
• Componen 3 "P ac ical Knowledge and Bes P ac ices" (12.24% o
a iance, α = .79): ocuses on he acquisi ion and applica ion o new echnical
knowledge, unde s anding bes p ac ices, and linking ac i i ies o eal-wo ld IT
amewo ks such as Agile, Sc um, and IT Se ice Managemen .
• Componen 4 "Teamwo k and C ea i i y" (8.92% o a iance, α = .8):
ocuses on how he ac i i y encou aged eam o ganiza ion, c ea i i y, and
inno a ion, and how s uden s el guided o achie e objec i es.
• Componen 5 "Collabo a ion and Adap abili y" (6.54% o a iance, α =
.77): ocuses on pee collabo a ion, adap abili y, and how he ac i i y
challenged s uden s o s ep ou o hei com o zones. I also e lec s he
esponsibili y and encou agemen de i ed om wo king wi h pee s.
The summa y o so skills de elopmen is p esen ed h ough a ada cha in Fig. 1,
depic ing he mean sco es o he i e p incipal componen s iden i ied h ough ac o
analysis. The pen agon-shaped isualiza ion e eals he ela i e s eng h and
balanced de elopmen ac oss all dimensions, wi h sco es anging om 4.35 o 4.60
on a i e-poin scale, p o iding a comp ehensi e o e iew o he compe ency
de elopmen p o ile
Fig. 1. Mean o Iden i ied So Skills
The syne gy be ween hese ac o s c ea es a obus ounda ion o p o essional
success, whe e each dimension ein o ces and complemen s he o he s. Fo
ins ance, he high engagemen sco e (4.6) likely posi i ely in luences collabo a ion
capabili ies (Ayeni e al., 2024; I ia e & Bayona, 2021)(4.4), while s ong eamwo k
skills (Bekbola e al., 2024; Mohammed & Ozdamli, 2024) enhance p ac ical
knowledge applica ion (4.35) (A ença e al., 2023).
This comp ehensi e de elopmen o so skills aligns well wi h cu en indus y
demands, whe e IT p o essionals need o demons a e no jus echnical p o iciency
bu also s ong capabili ies in a eas such as eam collabo a ion, adap i e lea ning,
and inno a i e p oblem-sol ing. The consis en ly high sco es ac oss all dimensions
sugges ha s uden s a e well-p epa ed o he mul i ace ed challenges o mode n IT
en i onmen s (Ayeni e al., 2024; Bekbola e al., 2024; I ia e & Bayona, 2021;
Mohammed & Ozdamli, 2024).
3.2 Pe cei ed Impac on Academic Pe o mance and So Skills
The indings o his p ac ical case demons a e he e ec i eness o he imme si e
simula ion game ("Egyp Challenge Simula o ") enhancing academic pe o mance
wi hin Agile educa ion con ex s. Empi ical e idence, ga he ed h ough quan i a i e
and quali a i e s uden sel -assessmen s, indica es a ela ionship be ween
pa icipa ion in simula ion and imp o ed academic ou comes. Nea ly all pa icipan s
epo ed enhanced unde s anding and e ec i e ans e o heo e ical concep s o
p ac ical con ex s, pa icula ly in complex p oblem-sol ing, p ac ical applica ion o
Agile me hodologies, and collabo a i e eamwo k. Pa icipan s highligh ed signi ican
imp o emen s in engagemen , p ac ical knowledge, and collabo a i e compe encies,
e lec ing posi i ely on hei academic pe o mance in g oup-based asks and
collabo a i e assignmen s. No ably, he in eg a ion o essen ial so skills (such as
communica ion, adap abili y, and collabo a ion) wi h echnical Agile p ac ices
con ibu ed signi ican ly o o e all academic achie emen .
This dual emphasis on so skills and echnical compe encies is suppo ed by he
p inciples o Schola ly Teaching and he Schola ship o Teaching and Lea ning
(SoTL), emphasizing c i ically e lec i e p ac ice, e idence-based eaching, and
heo y-guided ins uc ion. In alignmen wi h he li e a u e on Schola ly Teaching and
SoTL (Po e & Kus a, 2011), he "Egyp Challenge Simula o " exempli ies schola ly
eaching h ough i s e idence-based app oach, in en ional in eg a ion o e lec i e
p ac ices, and heo e ical g ounding in Agile me hodologies. These indings ad oca e
o adop ing imme si e gami ica ion echniques as e ec i e pedagogical
in e en ions ha b idge heo e ical ins uc ion wi h p ac ical applica ion, signi ican ly
s eng hening comp ehensi e p o essional de elopmen in enginee ing educa ion.
3.3 Insigh s
In explo ing he ques ion, “How can imme si e gami ica ion s a egies be employed
o b idge he p ac ical Agile skills gap and e ec i ely enhance so skills in
enginee ing educa ion o dynamic digi al ans o ma ion con ex s?”, key insigh s a e:
1. Syne gy Among So Skills and Real-Wo ld Readiness: Focusing on
lea ning e ec i eness, u u e p epa edness, and collabo a i e wo k in an
in eg a ed manne suppo s s onge s uden pe o mance, ein o cing he
p ac ical applicabili y o Agile p inciples.
2. Balancing Theo y and P ac ice o Enhanced Academic G ow h: Linking
heo e ical con en o gami ied, hands-on expe iences help s uden s
unde s and and apply agile amewo ks. By engaging in i e a i e cycles and
ecei ing ongoing eedback, s uden s gain expe ience ha aligns heo e ical
knowledge wi h eal-wo ld p oblem-sol ing.
3. Dis ibu ed Leade ship as a D i e o Inno a ion: Encou aging s uden s o
o a e leade ship esponsibili ies nu u es inno a i e hinking and quick
adap a ion o unexpec ed issues. This app oach e lec s a co e Agile p inciple,
e ealing ha sha ed leade ship allows each pa icipan o e ine i al skills in
communica ion and eam engagemen .
4. Imme si e Lea ning En i onmen s o Fos e Adap abili y: Th ough
simula ions and ole-playing, enhanced by eal- ime decision-making,
s uden s a e p omp ed o ope a e beyond hei com o zones. This imme si e
o ma p epa es hem o deal mo e con iden ly wi h un o eseen challenges
and p omo es a mindse o con inuous imp o emen .
5. Ea ly In eg a ion o So Skills o Employabili y: Cul i a ing engagemen ,
u u e eadiness, p ac ical knowledge, eamwo k, c ea i i y, and collabo a i e
adap abili y emain c ucial o add essing he needs o e ol ing eal-wo ld
Agile p ojec s.
These i e insigh s sugges how imme si e gami ica ion b idges he p ac ical Agile
skills gap in enginee ing educa ion. The “Egyp Challenge Simula o “ gi es empi ical
e idence ha when s uden s engage in ealis ic scena ios equi ing bo h echnical
and in e pe sonal compe encies, hey de elop skills di ec ly applicable o digi al
ans o ma ion en i onmen s. This simula ion c ea es a lea ning expe ience whe e
echnical and so skills de elop simul aneously a he han sequen ially, e lec ing
eal-wo ld p o essional demands while emaining adap able ac oss a ious
enginee ing disciplines.
3.4 T ans e abili y
The “Egyp Challenge Simula o ” has high ans e abili y ac oss a ious enginee ing
educa ion con ex s. Educa o s seeking o implemen simila imme si e gami ica ion
can adap his app oach ega dless o ins i u ion size o a ailable esou ces. The
co e implemen a ion equi es: 1) dedica ed physical space allowing 6-8 s uden s pe
eam o wo k simul aneously, 2) basic building ma e ials ha simula e p ojec
componen s (comme cial simula ion ki s o cos -e ec i e al e na i es like ca dboa d
and c a ing ma e ials), 3) p in ed ole ca ds and scena io desc ip ions, and 4)
app oxima ely 6-8 hou s o cu iculum ime, which can be di ided in o mul iple
sessions. The simula ion's pedagogical amewo k is sui able o so wa e
enginee ing, sys ems enginee ing, indus ial enginee ing, and o he STEAM
disciplines whe e p ojec managemen and collabo a i e skills a e alued.
4 CONCLUSIONS AND IMPLICATIONS
Aligning wi h he cen al heme o b idging he p ac ical Agile skills gap h ough
imme si e gami ica ion, his case p esen s e idence ha simula ion-based
app oaches e ec i ely de elop bo h echnical compe encies and c i ical so skills
simul aneously. The Egyp Challenge Simula o c ea es an en i onmen whe e
s uden s expe ience i s hand how Agile p inciples ansla e in o angible ou comes,
wi h pa icipan s epo ing measu able imp o emen s in leade ship, communica ion,
and p oblem-sol ing capabili ies. This p ac ice-based expe ience me ges heo e ical
unde s anding wi h hands-on engagemen , p epa ing s uden s o he complex
eali ies o digi al ans o ma ion en i onmen s.
